MINUTES OF THE MEETING OF THE
JOINT SUBCOMMITTEE ON HUMAN RESOURCES / K-12
OF THE
SENATE Subcommittee on Finance
AND THE ASSEMBLY COMMITTEE ON WAYS AND MEANS
Seventy-First Session
May 8, 2001
The Joint Subcommittee on Human Resources/K-12 of the Senate Committee on Finance and the Assembly Committee on Ways and Means was called to order by Chairman Raymond D. Rawson at 8:07 a.m., on Tuesday, May 8, 2001, in Room 3137 of the Legislative Building, Carson City, Nevada. Exhibit A is the Agenda. Exhibit B is the Attendance Roster. All exhibits are available and on file at the Research Library of the Legislative Counsel Bureau.
SENATE MEMBERS PRESENT:
Senator Raymond D. Rawson, Chairman
Senator William J. Raggio
Senator Bob Coffin
Senator Bernice Mathews
ASSEMBLY MEMBERS PRESENT:
Ms. Christina R. Giunchigliani, Chairwoman
Mr. David E. Goldwater
Mrs. Barbara K. Cegavske
Mr. Joseph E. Dini, Jr.
Ms. Sheila Leslie
Ms. Sandra J. Tiffany
ASSEMBLY MEMBERS ABSENT:
Mr. Morse Arberry Jr. (Excused)
STAFF MEMBERS PRESENT:
Bob Guernsey, Principal Deputy Fiscal Analyst
Steven J. Abba, Principal Deputy Fiscal Analyst
Georgia J. Rohrs, Program Analyst
Russell J. Guindon, Deputy Fiscal Analyst
Larry L. Peri, Senior Program Analyst
Bob Williston, Committee Secretary
OTHERS PRESENT:
Douglas C. Thunder, Deputy Superintendent for Administrative and Fiscal Services, Department of Education
Keith Rheault, Deputy Superintendent for Instructional, Research, and Evaluative Services, Department of Education
Jim Baumann, Administrative Service Officer IV, Division of Child and Family Services, Department of Human Resources
Sherry Blackwell, Budget Analyst V, Budget Division, Department of Administration
BUDGET CLOSINGS – DEPARTMENT OF EDUCATION
Proficiency Testing – Budget Page K12ED-32 (Volume 1)
Budget Account 101-2697
Georgia J. Rohrs, Program Analyst, Fiscal Analysis Division, Legislative Counsel Bureau, reviewed policy issue #1 and policy issue #2 on pages 3 and 4 of the Joint Subcommittee on K‑12/Human Resources Closing List #8 (Exhibit C).
M-201 Demographics/Caseload Changes – Page K12ED-34
Ms. Rohrs asked, for policy issue #1, whether the subcommittee wishes to approve amending the Proficiency Testing budget to transfer General Fund in this budget from the criterion-references test (CRT) contract category to the High School Proficiency Contract category in the amounts of $312,301 in FY 2002 and $313,587 in FY 2003 to fund the estimated shortfall in the High School Proficiency Exam Testing Program.
Ms. Rohrs asked, for policy issue #2, whether the subcommittee wishes to approve funding the balance of the estimated shortfall in the High School Proficiency Exam (HSPE) Testing Program in the amount of $200,410. She suggested the subcommittee may wish to consider funding the estimated HSPE contract shortfall in the amount of $200,410, as additional funding from the General Fund, contingent upon the $200,410 being reverted should the science portion of the HSPE be delayed for one or more years.
Senator Coffin asked whether a solution has been proposed for the shortfall indicated in decision unit M-201. Senator Rawson replied that he is not aware of a solution.
Senator Coffin stated that it sounds like a tax increase would be needed. Senator Rawson said he thought this decision ought to be made on the basis of “how do we move on with our accountability assessment package.” He suggested the committee make the decision and deal with the consequences.
Senator Coffin stated he is prepared to deal with the consequences, but pointed out that if the committee is expecting to deal with the issue someone should enlighten it about this issue.
Assemblywoman Cegavske recommended that a Letter of Intent be written on this issue. She stated that a concern she shares with others is to involve more people in the request for proposal (RFP) process. She also stated she would like the contract with the testing company to ensure the return and accuracy of the results, and that penalties be enacted by the state board if these things are not provided. She pointed out that such language has been put in contracts previously but it has not been enforced. She suggested that this time some “teeth” should be included.
Senator Rawson said the suggestion was reasonable.
Assemblywoman Giunchigliani pointed out that there is an Assembly bill that is intended to restructure the high school diploma to allow for the creation of an alternative proficiency exam for special education students and English language learner (ELL) students. She asked the committee to consider adding the $500,000 needed to create this alternative exam over the 2-year period.
Ms. Giunchigliani said the bill also contains the extension of the science portion of the proficiency exam out to the year 2003-2004.
Senator Rawson said that will be considered in the recommendations, and it will go forward that way unless someone objects to it.
ASSEMBLYMAN GOLDWATER MOVED TO CLOSE BUDGET 101-2697 WITH ADJUSTMENTS RECOMMENDED BY THE STAFF, THE CONTRACT LANGUAGE AND PENALTIES SUGGESTED BY ASSEMBLYWOMAN CEGAVSKE, AND THE ADDITION OF $500,000 FOR THE DEVELOPMENT OF AN ALTERNATIVE TESTING PROGRAM.
SENATOR COFFIN SECONDED THE MOTION.
THE MOTION CARRIED. (SENATOR RAGGIO AND ASSEMBLYMEN ARBERRY AND DINI WERE ABSENT FOR THE VOTE.)
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Teacher Education and Licensing – Budget Page K12ED-23 (Volume 1)
Budget Account 101-2705
Ms. Rohrs read the policy issue and other decision units outlined on pages 1b and 2 of the Joint Subcommittee on K‑12/Human Resources Closing List #8 (Exhibit C). She stated that in order for the Teacher Education and Licensing budget to become self-sufficient, and to have sufficient operating revenues to support the recommended enhancements, licensing fees will have to be increased. She asked whether the subcommittee wishes to approve the expenditure of $134,879 in FY 2002 and $8,530 in FY 2003 to electronically store teacher licensing files, to be funded by license and fee revenues.
E-252 Eliminate Duplicate Effort – Page K12ED-25
Ms. Rohrs stated that this budget could be closed contingent upon any modifications that may be made by the subcommittee to the Nevada Department of Education (NDE) budget for the recommended transfer of the Consolidated Administrator, Southern Office, Teacher Licensing position from the Education State Programs budget.
E-275 Working Environment & Wage – Page K12ED-25
Ms. Rohrs said the staff recommends approval of the Governor’s recommendation for training for 11.5 FTE employees at an average cost of $250 each per year.
ASSEMBLYMAN GOLDWATER MOVED TO CLOSE BUDGET 101-2705 WITH ADJUSTMENTS RECOMMENDED BY THE STAFF.
SENATOR MATHEWS SECONDED THE MOTION.
THE MOTION CARRIED. (SENATOR RAGGIO AND ASSEMBLYMEN ARBERRY AND DINI WERE ABSENT FOR THE VOTE.)
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NDE, Staffing Services – Budget Page K12ED-47 (Volume 1)
Budget Account 101-2719
Ms. Rohrs read the narrative included on page 7 of Closing List #8 (Exhibit C) for the Joint Subcommittee on K‑12/Human Resources. She said the transfer and consolidation of less than full-time positions into this budget to create full-time equivalent positions through decision unit E-252 in each of the affected budgets appears to have merit, and presents a reasonable and practical solution to tracking employees who are funded from multiple funding sources and/or budget accounts. She said staff concerns center on the need to be kept apprised of changes in funding sources, transfers of positions, and new positions approved as temporary by the Budget Division. She suggested that the subcommittee may wish to issue a Letter of Intent directing the department to provide quarterly reports to Fiscal Analysis Division staff on the status of the NDE, Staffing Services budget account.
SENATOR MATHEWS MOVED TO CLOSE BUDGET 101-2719 AS RECOMMENDED BY THE GOVERNOR, AND INCLUDING THE ISSUANCE OF A LETTER OF INTENT.
SENATOR COFFIN SECONDED THE MOTION.
THE MOTION CARRIED. (SENATOR RAGGIO AND ASSEMBLYMEN ARBERRY AND DINI WERE ABSENT FOR THE VOTE.)
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Education Support Services – Budget Page K12ED-48 (Volume 1)
Budget Account 101-2720
Ms. Rohrs read the Issues, Technical Adjustments and Other Issues outlined on pages 8 through 11 of the Joint Subcommittee on K‑12/Human Resources Closing List #8 (Exhibit C).
M-200 Demographics/Caseload Changes – Page K12ED-49
Ms. Rohrs asked whether the subcommittee wishes to approve a new 1.0 FTE Account Clerk II position to be funded from the federal and state indirect cost allocation process in the amounts of $29,655 in FY 2002 and $38,554 in FY 2003. She said adjustments have been made to correct this position’s title to Account Clerk II and pay grade to level 23. She said adjustments also have been made to reduce the cost of a computer to reflect the current contract price and to reduce the amount for training effective October 1, 2001. The total savings amounts to $2,017 in FY 2002 and $3,039 in FY 2003.
M-201 Demographics Caseload Changes – Page K12ED-50
Ms. Rohrs asked whether the subcommittee wishes to approve a 1.0 FTE Information Systems Specialist position to support the department’s computer network, at a cost of $47,526 in FY 2002 and $60,268 in FY 2003. She stated this position would provide the technical support necessary for the department’s network operating systems.
M-204 Demographics Caseload Changes – Page K12ED-50
Ms. Rohrs asked whether the subcommittee wishes to approve two 1.0 FTE Auditor III positions and a half-time Management Assistant I position, at a cost of $141,808 in FY 2002 and $150,941 in FY 2003. She said adjustments have been made to reflect an effective date of October 1, 2001, for the auditor position. She said adjustments have also been made to keep all auditor travel in the Auditors Travel and Training expenditure category.
E-251 Eliminate Duplicate Effort – Page K12ED-52
Ms. Rohrs asked whether the subcommittee wishes to approve allocating the General Fund portions of indirect costs to the Support Services budget rather than transferring costs periodically from the individual budget accounts. Ms. Rohrs pointed out that placing General Fund monies directly into this budget account at the beginning of each year would eliminate the need for journal vouchering General Fund indirect costs to the Support Services budget account, and would alleviate cash flow problems early in the fiscal year.
E-720 New Equipment – Page K12ED-53
Ms. Rohrs asked whether the subcommittee wishes to approve the expenditure of $22,932 for two 2-way interactive video units (one for Carson City and one for Las Vegas), wiring for State Board Room/Training Center in Carson City, and projection units. The purchase of these video units would enable board members, staff, and the public to participate in meetings without the need for travel to Carson City from Las Vegas or Carson City to Las Vegas for required meetings.
E-900 Transfer to B/A 2673 – Page K12ED-54
Ms. Rohrs asked whether the subcommittee wishes to approve the transfer of 1.5 FTE positions from the Support Services budget account to this budget account. She said staff recommends approval of the transfer of 1.5 FTE positions from this budget to the Education State Programs budget (Budget Account 2673) and involves the .50 FTE Deputy Superintendent of Finance and Accounting and the 1.0 FTE Planning, Research, and Evaluation Consultant.
E-252 Eliminate Duplicate Effort – Page K12ED-52
Ms. Rohrs stated The Executive Budget recommends the transfer of a Management Assistant III position, a Director, Federal and Related Programs position, and a Management Assistant III position to this budget from the Education State Programs budget and the Improving America’s Schools budget. She said this budget can be closed contingent upon any modifications that may be made by the subcommittee on the NDE, Staffing Services budget.
E-275 Working Environment & Wage – Page K12ED-52
Ms. Rohrs stated adjustments have been made to eliminate training funding for auditors, since their training costs are included in dues and registrations within the Auditors Training and Travel category.
E-710 Replacement Equipment – Page K12ED-53
Ms. Rohrs said an adjustment has been made to eliminate dues and registrations in the amount of $4,500 in FY 2002.
E-711 Replacement Equipment – Page K12ED-53
Ms. Rohrs said adjustments have been made to reduce the computer costs to reflect the current contract cost.
Senator Rawson stated that each of the decision units appeared to be reasonable. He stated that a Letter of Intent might be considered with respect to E-720. He said that letter would ask the department to review its projected revenues prior to purchase of the interactive video. He suggested that the documentation of travel savings could be added to that request so the committee could adjust budgets accordingly in the future.
Douglas C. Thunder, Deputy Superintendent for Administrative and Fiscal Services, Department of Education, stated when the closing of budget account 101‑2673 (Education State Programs) was considered, his department wanted to address the issue of dropping the Budget Analyst position. He said the recommendation was made on the basis of a note in the minutes that said the department indicated that would be acceptable. He pointed out that what really happened in the discussion on which those minutes were based was that Senator Rawson asked whether the Budget Analyst position could be eliminated if the Distributive School Account (DSA) administrative position was approved. He recalled that he had responded to the effect that he thought it could, and he had pointed out that is a position that requires the full time attention of one individual.
Mr. Thunder stated that the department has never been in favor of eliminating the Budget Analyst. He pointed out that the department has approximately 25 budgets to monitor, and this is the only Budget Analyst position in the department. He said it was left vacant for one reason, and that was to deal with the cash flow problems in budget account 101-2720. He stated that the department simply did not have the funding to pay for that position because of a variety of issues.
Mr. Thunder questioned whether that position can be reconsidered at this time, but expressed hope that it can. He also pointed out that by eliminating that position there has been no effect on the cost to the state General Fund. He explained that the position is all indirect-cost funded, and the elimination of the Budget Analyst position is not a cost savings to the state budget.
Mr. Goldwater thanked Mr. Thunder, and stated that Mr. Thunder had come to him with that concern when Mr. Goldwater was in another meeting and could not address Mr. Thunder’s concerns at the time. Mr. Goldwater acknowledged that was the reason Mr. Thunder’s concerns were not addressed.
Mr. Goldwater stated that it would not be unreasonable to consider Mr. Thunder’s suggestion.
Senator Rawson asked whether a transfer could be made, or whether it would be necessary to reopen a budget that has already been closed.
Ms. Rohrs said there would be no change in money involved in budget account 101-2673. She said the only reference was that the Administrative Services Officer position would be approved contingent upon the elimination of the Budget Analyst position. She suggested the budget could be reopened to remove that contingency clause.
Education State Programs – Budget Page K12ED-1 (Volume 1)
Budget Account 101-2673
Senator Rawson asked whether the Budget Analyst position was covered in the Governor’s budget. Ms. Rohrs replied that it is part of the base budget.
Mr. Thunder pointed out that another unique thing about budget account 101‑2673 is that the adjustments were made by reducing the revenue. He suggested that since the revenue in this budget account is based upon the indirect cost of collections from the other budget accounts, perhaps the reductions should be made to the reserve rather than to reduce the revenue. He said it would work that way, and the department would just have to come back and ask for authority to receive that additional funding.
Mr. Goldwater asked Mr. Thunder, regarding the suggestion for budget 101-2673, what will be done to improve the cash flow problem and the liquidity problem that are different from what has been done previously.
Mr. Thunder responded that one of the primary things that the committee has done is to transfer 1.5 positions from budget account 101-2720 into 101-2673. He said both of those positions had to be paid for from budget 101-2720, but they could not be included in the indirect cost calculation that brought in money. He said that will be a help.
Mr. Goldwater indicated that the committee is not just interested in helping the situation, but rather in providing a solution to the cash flow issues.
Mr. Thunder added that another helpful move would be the direct appropriation of the equivalent amount of General Fund money into budget account 101-2720.
ASSEMBLYMAN GOLDWATER MOVED TO RESCIND THE CONTINGENCY CLAUSE IN THE CLOSING OF BUDGET ACCOUNT 101-2673.
ASSEMBLYMAN DINI SECONDED THE MOTION.
Steven J. Abba, Principal Deputy Fiscal Analyst, Fiscal Analysis Division, Legislative Counsel Bureau, stated that the committee’s motion at the time budget account 101-2673 was closed was to approve the DSA administrator position contingent upon eliminating the Budget Analyst position in the Education Support Services budget, account 101-2720, that is currently being considered. He suggested that the committee, in opening budget 101-2673, rescind that previous action to “make it clean.” He said that as the committee then considers the adjustments and policy issues in Education Support Services budget 101-2720 they may approve adjusting the technical recommendations that have been made by staff by reestablishing the Budget Analyst position and its support costs, if they wish to approve the Budget Analyst position.
THE MOTION CARRIED. (SENATOR COFFIN AND ASSEMBLYMAN ARBERRY WERE ABSENT FOR THE VOTE.)
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ASSEMBLYWOMAN TIFFANY MOVED TO RECLOSE BUDGET 101-2673 WITHOUT THE CONTINGENCY CLAUSE OF THE PREVIOUS MOTION.
SENATOR MATHEWS SECONDED THE MOTION.
THE MOTION CARRIED. (SENATOR COFFIN AND ASSEMBLYMAN ARBERRY WERE ABSENT FOR THE VOTE.)
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ASSEMBLYMAN GOLDWATER MOVED TO CLOSE BUDGET 101-2720 WITH ADJUSTMENTS RECOMMENDED BY STAFF, AND BY REESTABLISHING THE BUDGET ANALYST POSITION.
ASSEMBLYWOMAN TIFFANY SECONDED THE MOTION.
THE MOTION CARRIED. (SENATOR COFFIN AND ASSEMBLYMAN ARBERRY WERE ABSENT FOR THE VOTE.)
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Discretionary Grants-Unrestricted – Budget Page K12ED-102 (Volume 1)
Budget Account 101-2706
Ms. Rohrs read the background, adjustments, and issues outlined on pages 12 through 14 of the Joint Subcommittee on K‑12/Human Resources Closing List #8 (Exhibit C). She said adjustments have been made to eliminate the $2 million in GOALS 2000 funding for FY 2003, as the grant program will be eliminated in FY 2002. She asked whether the subcommittee wishes to transfer, rather than eliminate, the half-time positions, the Federal and Related Programs Consultant, and the Management Assistant, currently funded by GOALS 2000 in this budget to another budget account (2712) in FY 2003 to be funded by Title I. She said the proposal to transfer the two half-time positions in FY 2003 appears reasonable since the duties assigned to these positions are associated with Title I program activities and therefore can be supported by Title I funding if available. She said that if funding is not increased, the positions will be eliminated unless another funding source is found. She added that if the transfer of the two half-time positions is approved, adjustments will have to be made in both this budget and in the Improving America’s Schools (Title I) budget account (2712).
M-200 Demographic/Caseload Changes – Page K12ED-103
Ms. Rohrs asked whether the subcommittee wishes to make permanent the Grants and Projects Analyst I temporary position added during the interim to meet program demand.
Mrs. Cegavske asked whether the grant writer position in M-200 is a full-time position. Ms. Rohrs replied that it is a half-time position.
Mrs. Cegavske pointed out that she and Senator James have a grant writers’ bill in the Senate at this time. She stated that the concern has been funding.
Senator Rawson suggested that the funding is in this item. Mrs. Cegavske concurred with that opinion.
Ms. Rohrs pointed out that the department has a number of Grants and Projects Analyst positions. She stated that they do not have a position specifically dedicated to writing grant applications. She explained that there are a number of duties that a Grants and Projects Analyst can perform. She said the personnel division’s job descriptions for Grants and Projects Analysts would include the ability to write applications for federal grants.
Senator Rawson asked whether the committee could make this a full-time position by funding it with the half-time position allocation in the budget and by adding the half from the grants, and by not having to add the General Fund. He asked whether that would be appropriate.
Ms. Rohrs replied a determination would have to be made whether sufficient federal funds would be available for administrative costs to enhance the position, and whether the duties would line up with the funding source.
Mr. Thunder pointed out that this position is funded by the Technology Literacy Challenge Grant. He stated that the department would have great difficulty in trying to justify the use of that position to solicit other grants. He said the primary focus of this position is to work with the distribution of the sub grants to the districts, which includes a lot of work regarding making evaluations.
Senator Rawson noted it is a half-time position. He asked whether, if other grants could be raised to justify the other half of a salary, it would be useful for the department to make it a full-time position.
Mr. Thunder stated that he had not considered that particular position in that light. Senator Rawson asked whether there was any reason he could not do that.
Keith Rheault, Deputy Superintendent for Instructional, Research, and Evaluative Services, Department of Education, said the position would probably be useful, but pointed out that he is not sure the person who is presently in that position would have the skills or qualifications for the grant-writing duties. He explained that it might be necessary to move that person out of that position.
Senator Rawson suggested that if this were kept as a full-time position, and revenue were included in the budget from federal sources, there would be no damage done if the department did not fill the position.
Mr. Rheault agreed there would be no damage done, and indicated that would work.
Senator Rawson asked Senator Raggio whether he had any concern with making this a full-time position instead of a half-time position, or whether the revenue was added for the other half-time position from grant sources. He pointed out that would mean there would be no General Fund addition. Senator Raggio suggested there should be an assurance of that happening.
Senator Rawson explained that assurance would be demonstrated because the department would not hire the person if it lacked the ability to do so through lack of funding. Mr. Rheault agreed, and stated that it would work.
Senator Rawson asked whether the staff could work with what had been discussed to make the necessary changes to the budget.
Ms. Rohrs questioned what federal funds were being considered. She asked whether these would be federal funds from other grant programs coming into this budget to fund half the position.
Mr. Rheault said that would be the case, and funds would probably have to be transferred in from other federal grants that the department has available.
Ms. Rohrs stated that the legislative staff and the department would work together and make every effort to make this happen.
Senator Rawson indicated that would necessitate a change in the recommendations by the staff.
Ms. Rohrs said that had been accomplished. She suggested making this position permanent appeared reasonable, given the description of duties.
Senator Rawson pointed out that ultimately the position may end up as another half-time position. He explained that the committee action would authorize a full‑time position, half of it to be funded with grant funds.
ASSEMBLYMAN GOLDWATER MOVED TO CLOSE BUDGET 101-2706 WITH ADJUSTMENTS RECOMMENDED BY THE STAFF, AND TO APPROVE THE TRANSFER OF FUNDS NECESSARY TO SUPPORT THE FULL-TIME POSITION FOR A GRANTS WRITER.
ASSEMBLYWOMAN CEGAVSKE SECONDED THE MOTION.
THE MOTION CARRIED. (SENATOR COFFIN AND ASSEMBLYMEN ARBERRY AND LESLIE WERE ABSENT FOR THE VOTE.)
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Improving America’s Schools-Title I – Budget Page K12ED-85 (Volume 1)
Budget Account 101-2712
Ms. Rohrs read the background and adjustments described on pages 15 and 16 of the Joint Subcommittee on K‑12/Human Resources Closing List #8 (Exhibit C).
E-252 Eliminate Duplicate Effort – Page K12ED-87
She stated that if the transfer of less than full-time positions from certain department budgets into other budget accounts is not approved, adjustments will be made in this budget and budget accounts 2715 and 2720. She said approval of this budget does not imply agreement with establishing NDE, Staffing Services (Budget Account 2719) of the transferring in or out of positions in this decision unit.
Ms. Rohrs said the base budget has been adjusted to reflect increased funding for the Even Start grant in the amount of $475,500 per year and reduced funding for the Migrant Aid grant in the amount of $72,679 per year. She said corresponding adjustments have been made in the aid-to-schools category for each grant program.
Ms. Rohrs added that the Budget division is recommending the transfer of two half‑time positions from the Discretionary Grants – Unrestricted Budget Account (2706) to this budget to avoid elimination of the positions due to the expiration of the GOALS 2000 grant. She stated that should the transfer be approved, adjustments will be made in both this budget and Budget Account 2706.
ASSEMBLYWOMAN TIFFANY MOVED TO CLOSE BUDGET 101-2712 WITH ADJUSTMENTS RECOMMENDED BY THE STAFF.
ASSEMBLYMAN DINI SECONDED THE MOTION.
THE MOTION CARRIED. (SENATOR COFFIN AND ASSEMBLYMEN ARBERRY AND LESLIE WERE ABSENT FOR THE VOTE.)
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BUDGET CLOSINGS – HUMAN RESOURCES – Health Care Financing and Policy
HR, HCF&P, Nevada Check-Up Program – Budget Page HCF&P-24 (Volume 2)
Budget Account 101-3178
Steven J. Abba, Principal Deputy Fiscal Analyst, Fiscal Analysis Division, Legislative Counsel Bureau, stated in the Joint Subcommittee on K‑12/Human Resources Closing List #8 (Exhibit C), stating there is a correction to be made on page 18. He stated in technical adjustment #1 the sum of $3,676 should be changed to $7,978. He also indicated this adjustment should indicate FY 2002 instead of FY 2001.
Mr. Abba stated the state program for Nevada Check-Up was approved in August 1998, and the State Children’s Health Insurance Program (SCHIP) supports the Check-Up program with a federal match of 65 percent. He said quarterly premiums are charged eligible families based on the family’s income level as a percent of poverty, the premiums ranging from $10 to $50.
Mr. Abba read the technical adjustments and closing issues outlined on page 18 of the Joint Subcommittee on K‑12/Human Resources Closing List #8 (Exhibit C). He stated the base state funds were reduced by $3,676 in FY 2001 to accurately reflect the appropriate federal/state revenue mix.
E-425 Nevadans With Health Insurance – Page HCF&P-27
Mr. Abba said the closing document increases revenues from premiums based on the revised projections by $313,965 for FY 2002 and by $352,440 for FY 2003. He said the increase in revenues from premiums allows for a reduction in state and Title XXI funds by a like amount. He said state funds were reduced by $119,671 for FY 2002 and by $123,354 for FY 2003.
Mr. Abba said the projected caseload for the Check-Up program was reduced by 631 recipients per month for FY 2002 and by 738 recipients per month for FY 2003. He said the caseload adjustment reduced the projected number of recipients enrolled in the Check-Up program at the beginning of FY 2002 based on the actual number of recipients year-to-date for FY 2001 and the projected number of recipients for the last 2 months (May and June) of FY 2001. He added that caseload revisions will reduce medical payments, fiscal agent costs, and operating costs by $892,615 for FY 2002 and by $1,121,217 for FY 2003. The General Fund portion of the reduction is $294,889 for FY 2002 and $371,927 for FY 2003, Mr. Abba said.
Mr. Abba asked whether the subcommittee wishes to approve a new Management Analyst III position to function as the Program Operations Manager for the Check‑Up program. He said staff does not feel the new Management Analyst III position, which was to function as an Operations Manager, is needed at this time. He said staff recommends this position, and the support costs for this position, be eliminated.
Mr. Abba asked whether the subcommittee wishes to increase the federal financial participation rate for the last three quarters of FY 2003. He stated that, if the subcommittee chooses to close the Check-Up program using the higher federal match rate, a savings of approximately $260,000 in state funds would be realized in FY 2003.
Senator Rawson recalled that in past sessions the Division of Health Care Financing and Policy had the leeway to overshoot the figures a bit. He asked what would happen to this budget if the division should spend all the funding before the end of the fiscal year.
Mr. Abba responded language is included in the Appropriations Act, giving the division the flexibility to move appropriations between fiscal years. He explained he has discussed this with the division, and he indicated they have accepted the revisions as recommended.
Senator Rawson asked whether it is reasonable that the 66.08 percent federal Title XXI match rate indicated in closing issue #3 on page 19 of Exhibit C will be realized. Mr. Abba replied that he based his estimates for decision unit E-425 on information he obtained after discussion with the publisher of Federal Funds Information for the States (FFIS). Mr. Abba stated the figure is based on changes in population as well as personal income data. He pointed out this figure may be increased or decreased, but the publisher of FFIS feels the rate will increase. He said he could not guarantee it will be 66.08 percent. He noted this would be a change in the second year of the biennium, and the Appropriations Act will provide authorization to move money around.
Senator Rawson pointed out the Legislature has fought hard to develop the Check‑Up program because it is the cheapest money used for any of these services. He said there is a better match on this than anything else that is received from the federal government. He stated he would be hesitant to make any significant cuts in the program because of the match rate. He said it is probably reasonable to build in the 66.08 percent federal match rate.
Ms. Giunchigliani asked whether the individuals that are currently qualifying for Check-Up have been at the 200 percent of poverty level. Mr. Abba said that is so. Ms. Giunchigliani stated she would be uncomfortable making the recommended change because it will create a bifurcated system or it will impact people who have already qualified.
Mr. Abba explained the individuals currently enrolled in the program at 175 percent of the poverty level would stay enrolled in the program until it is determined they are above 175 percent, or whatever threshold is established. At that time they would have to be removed from the rolls because they would no longer qualify for the program.
Ms. Giunchigliani expressed concern about that possibility. She pointed out that efforts are being made to get to the uninsured, and she expressed concern that a worse problem would be created.
Senator Rawson stated this is a budget that could be closed as it is now and revisited later. He pointed out that there is no question there is significant funding, but there is also the possibility of significant impairment to the program if the cuts are made.
Ms. Giunchigliani stated she is uncomfortable using “tobacco money” to fund the program. Senator Rawson indicated the state is almost out of tobacco money. He opined the task force will have very little to grant because a number of decisions have been made already that use the tobacco money.
Senator Mathews asked who has “his finger” on this program in the Health Division.
Senator Rawson replied it is administered out of the Office of the State Treasurer, and 2 percent goes to the administration of the fund. He explained that 3 percent was authorized for the actual administration of the grants in a bill this session to the Department of Human Resources.
ASSEMBLYWOMAN GIUNCHIGLIANI MOVED TO CLOSE BUDGET 101‑3178 WITH ADJUSTMENTS RECOMMENDED BY THE STAFF AND THE FOLLOWING STIPULATIONS: IT DOES NOT PROVIDE THE MANAGEMENT ASSISTANT III POSITION; IT CLOSES WITH THE INCREASE OF THE FEDERAL TITLE XXI MATCHING FUNDS TO 66.08 PERCENT FOR THE CHECK-UP PROGRAM IN THE SECOND YEAR OF THE BIENNIUM FOR THE FEDERAL MATCH; ELIGIBILITY IS KEPT AT 200 PERCENT OF THE POVERTY LEVEL WITHOUT USE OF TOBACCO MONEY; AND IT INCLUDES APPROPRIATION ACT LANGUAGE TO ALLOW THE DIVISION TO MOVE FUNDS BACK AND FORTH.
ASSEMBLYWOMAN TIFFANY SECONDED THE MOTION.
THE MOTION CARRIED. (ASSEMBLYMEN ARBERRY, GOLDWATER, AND LESLIE WERE ABSENT FOR THE VOTE.)
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HR, HCF&P, Intergovernmental Transfer Program – Budget Page HCF&P-30 (Volume 2) - Budget Account 101-3157
Mr. Abba read the technical adjustments and closing issues outlined on pages 21 and 22 of the Joint Subcommittee on K‑12/Human Resources Closing List #8 (Exhibit C). He asked whether the subcommittee wishes to incorporate the changes to the Intergovernmental Transfer (IGT) budget which would occur if S.B. 377 is approved. He noted that the Assembly Committee on Health and Human Services was currently considering S.B. 377.
SENATE BILL 377: Revises provisions governing payment of hospitals for treating disproportionate share of Medicaid patients, indigent patients or other low- income patients. (BDR 38-316)
Mr. Abba said Section 5 of S.B. 377 required the Department of Human Resources to continue the study of the disproportionate share (DHS) and IGT programs. He said the division is requesting to transfer $60,000 from the IGT budget to the Division’s administrative budget, to be matched with federal Medicaid funds, to retain consultant support to conduct the study. He said that, since this is a new request, the subcommittee may wish to receive comment from the division on the requirements of the study and clarification why consultant support is needed to perform the study.
Mr. Abba asked whether the subcommittee wishes to replenish the Institutional Care Fund for the upcoming biennium. He pointed out the subcommittee has three options: to approve replenishing the Institutional Care Fund up to its historical level of $300,000, to approve replenishing the Institutional Care Fund at a higher level up to $500,000 requested by Nevada Association of Counties (NACO) and proposed by S.B. 321, or, if the transfer is approved, as in the past it should be considered a one-time transfer for the upcoming biennium.
SENATE BILL 321: Makes various changes relating to state plan for Medicaid. (BDR 38-313)
Senator Rawson stated that Senate Bill (S.B.) 377 helps hospitals. He pointed out almost all rural hospitals benefit from some component of S.B. 377. He said a number of hospitals are failing, and it is very important to provide additional funding to them. He pointed out this bill also allocates funds to other hospitals such as Lake Mead Hospital and Sunrise Hospital.
Senator Rawson stated in this interim there will be further study on the whole issue. He said it is believed more funding will be available for these disproportionate share payments. He said he thinks the formula should be reviewed, but in the meantime this bill will provide a helpful change.
With respect to closing issue #2, replenishing the Institutional Care Fund, on page 22 of the Joint Subcommittee on K‑12/Human Resources Closing List #8 (Exhibit C), Senator Rawson stated Nevada Association of Counties (NACO) gave compelling testimony that it is important to them to have the institutional care fund replenished to a level that will cover a portion of Medicaid long-term care costs. He stated he is comfortable with the $500,000 level.
Senator Rawson pointed out this issue can be revisited if the bills being put through run into trouble. He stated he does not like to hold budgets up because of bills.
Senator Raggio asked whether that would constitute allocation of an additional $500,000 from the General Fund.
Mr. Abba replied the additional $500,000 would be taken out of the Intergovernmental Transfer reserve so it would reduce the reserve by $500,000.
Senator Raggio asked whether consideration was given to just replenishing it to the $300,000 level. He said he did not know what the status of the reserve is, and asked how this would affect the reserve.
Mr. Abba replied that if the S.B. 377 modifications are made, the reserve level at the end of FY2003 would be approximately $13.7 million. He said if those are not incorporated, the reserve would be about $11.5 million.
Senator Rawson expressed confidence that sufficient funds are available to raise the allocation to $500,000.
Senator Raggio noted that this budget will be impacted by both S.B. 377 and S.B. 321.
SENATOR RAGGIO MOVED TO CLOSE BUDGET 101-3157 WITH THE TECHNICAL RECOMMENDATIONS OF THE STAFF, ACCEPTING THE RECOMMENDATION OF SENATE BILL 377 AND SENATE BILL 321, WHICH WOULD REPLENISH THE INSTITUTIONAL CARE FUND WITH $500,000.
ASSEMBLYWOMAN GIUNCHIGLIANI SECONDED THE MOTION.
Mr. Abba asked whether that would include the $60,000 transfer to the administrative budget as well. Senator Rawson said it would.
THE MOTION CARRIED. (ASSEMBLYMEN ARBERRY, GOLDWATER, AND LESLIE WERE ABSENT FOR THE VOTE.)
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BUDGET CLOSINGS – HUMAN RESOURCES – Aging Services
Senior Citizens’ Property Tax Assistance – Budget Page AGING-23 (Volume 2)
Budget Account 101-2363
Russell J. Guindon, Deputy Fiscal Analyst, Fiscal Analysis Division, Legislative Counsel Bureau, read the overview, technical adjustments, decision items, and budget items requested by the Aging Services Division on pages 30 through 32 of the Joint Subcommittee on K‑12/Human Resources Closing List #8 (Exhibit C).
E-350 Service at Level Closest to People – Page AGING-24
Mr. Guindon stated several adjustments totaling $963 in FY 2001-02 are required to reduce the computer software and equipment expenses contained in decision unit E-350, if the program is transferred to the Aging Services Division. He said computer software costs are reduced by $45, and the cost of the computer system was reduced by $406 due to revised computer prices. He said costs were eliminated for one computer workstation and the installation of the workstation.
Mr. Guindon said costs were reduced by $561 in FY 2001-02 to reflect the correct price for an executive office unit contained in The Executive Budget for the Program Officer, if the program is transferred to the Aging Services Division. He added that the General Fund appropriation is increased by $71,884 in FY 2001-02 to replace funds removed due to elimination of the balance forward incorrectly included in The Executive Budget.
M-200 Demographics/Caseload Changes – Page AGING-24
Mr. Guindon asked whether the subcommittee wishes to leave the program as currently specified in statute and approve the total recommended funding of $334,690 in FY 2001‑02 and $717,742 in FY 2001-02 to support demographic growth.
E-125 Equitable, Stable Tax Structure – Page AGING-24
Mr. Guindon asked whether the subcommittee wishes to approve the funding for the Governor’s recommended enhancements to the Senior Citizens Property Tax Assistance Program.
E-350 Service at Level Closest to People – Page AGING-24
Mr. Guindon said staff seeks approval to include funding for this decision unit in this budget account at the Governor’s recommended levels, if the transfer to Aging Services Division is approved.
E-903 Transfer from BA 2361 – Page AGING-25
Mr. Guindon said decision unit E-903 recommends an appropriation of $11,294 in FY 2001 to provide funding for equipment, furniture, and moving costs necessary to transfer and set up employees of the Department of Taxation to the Aging Services Division of the Department of Human Resources.
Mr. Guindon stated staff seeks approval to include funding in this decision unit in Budget Account 2363 at the Governor’s recommended levels.
Mr. Guindon stated the Aging Services Division submitted information that if the transfer of this program is approved, additional funding for copying and rental costs will be needed because the division will not be able to accommodate this program in its current office space in Carson City. He said the division intends to acquire the necessary space for this program in the current office complex. He stated a number of items were not included in The Executive Budget.
Mr. Guindon said Aging Services is requesting an appropriation of $885 each year of the biennium for the costs of leasing and operating a photocopy machine for the program. He said that since the Senior Citizens Property Tax Rebate Program will be housed in a separate building, this program will need its own photocopy machine. He noted that the division’s lease costs for the photocopier for FY 2001‑02 are based on 12 months, but the program will not be transferred until October 1, 2001. He asked whether the subcommittee wishes to approve funding of $720 in FY 2001‑02 based on 9 months and $885 in FY 2002‑03 for the costs of leasing a photocopy machine, if the transfer of the Aging Services Division is approved.
Mr. Guindon said the Aging Services Division is also requesting funding for the costs of renting office space for this program, if transferred. He said it is unlikely the Aging Services Division will be able to resolve the rental space issue before the final closure of this budget is required. He said that after discussions with the Budget Division, staff decided funding for rental costs could be obtained from Category 10‑Tax Assistance in this budget account through a work program change into Category 04 – Opening Expenses, once the actual costs are determined. He asked whether the subcommittee wishes to allow the Aging Services Division the ability to transfer the necessary funding from Category 10 – Tax Assistance to Category 04 – Operating Expenses through a change in work program for the actual rental costs, if the transfer to the Aging Services Division is approved.
Mr. Guindon stated the division’s lease costs for the photocopier for FY 2001-02 are based on 12 months, but the program will not be transferred until October 1, 2001. He asked whether the subcommittee wishes to approve funding of $720 in FY 2001-02 based on nine months and $885 in FY 2002-03 for the costs of leasing a photocopy machine, if the transfer to the Aging Services Division is approved.
Mr. Guindon also asked whether the subcommittee wishes to allow the Aging Services Division the ability to transfer the necessary funding from Category 10 – Tax Assistance, to Category 04 – Operating Expenses through a change in work program for the actual rental costs, if the transfer to the Aging Services Division is approved.
Assemblywoman Giunchigliani asked whether anyone currently qualifying for the Senior Citizen’s Property Tax Relief Program would be impacted by the adjustments being made. Mr. Guindon indicated that is addressed in the decision items.
Senator Rawson noted the technical adjustments appear to be appropriate, and the budget items requested by the Aging Services Division should be approved. He stated the committee can approve $720 in the first year to lease a photocopier, and it is reasonable for Aging Services to access Category 10 (Tax Assistance) to transfer required funds to Category 04 once it is known what the actual office rental costs will be.
Senator Rawson noted there should be no question about the other items in the budget. He suggested the funding in decision unit M-200 should be kept sound and the money should be provided to keep it sound.
E-125 Equitable, Stable Tax Structure – Page AGING-24
Senator Rawson indicated it is up to the subcommittee to approve decision unit E‑125, but suggested it is probably not a good time to increase the allowable refund. He surmised it will be part of the whole tax study in the coming interim.
ASSEMBLYWOMAN GIUNCHIGLIANI MOVED TO CLOSE BUDGET 101-2363 ACCORDING TO STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS, WITH THE TECHNICAL CHANGES AND THE ADDITION OF $66,360 AND $153,483 (M200) TO KEEP THE PROGRAM WHOLE, AND APPROVE DECISION UNITS E-350 AND E‑903 AND BUDGET ITEM REQUESTS.
SENATOR COFFIN SECONDED THE MOTION.
THE MOTION CARRIED. (SENATOR RAGGIO AND ASSEMBLYMEN ARBERRY AND GOLDWATER WERE ABSENT FOR THE VOTE.)
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BUDGET CLOSINGS – HUMAN RESOURCES – Child and Family Services
HR, Child Care Services – Budget Page DCFS-19 (Volume 2)
Budget Account 101-3149
Larry L. Peri, Senior Program Analyst, Fiscal Analysis Division, Legislative Counsel Bureau, read the technical adjustment and budget recommendation on page 33 of the Joint Subcommittee on K‑12/Human Resources Closing List #8 (Exhibit C). He stated the General Fund is reduced by $1,251 in FY 2002 and by $1,316 in FY 2003, and Federal Title IV-E is increased by the same amounts. He also said that in FY 2002 the recommended adjustment reflects revised computer software and hardware prices from the State Purchasing Division. He said the recommended reduction of $6,822 is evenly distributed between a reduction in General Fund support of $3,411 and by a reduction in federal Title IV-E revenue of $3,411.
ASSEMBLYWOMAN GIUNCHIGLIANI MOVED TO CLOSE BUDGET 101‑3149 WITH ADJUSTMENTS RECOMMENDED BY THE STAFF.
ASSEMBLYWOMAN LESLIE SECONDED THE MOTION.
THE MOTION CARRIED. (SENATORS COFFIN AND RAGGIO AND ASSEMBLYMEN ARBERRY AND GOLDWATER WERE ABSENT FOR THE VOTE.)
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HR, Child Welfare Trust – Budget Page DCFS-33 (Volume 2)
Budget Account 645-3242
Mr. Peri read the overview on page 34 of the Joint Subcommittee on K‑12/Human Resources Closing List #8 (Exhibit C). He said funds were transferred from this account to the Youth Community Services (Child Welfare) budget (101-3229) to assist in the cost of care for children in the division’s custody. He said unused funds are returned to the child or legal guardian when the child leaves state custody. He stated that the staff recommends the budget be closed as recommended by the Governor.
ASSEMBLYWOMAN GIUNCHIGLIANI MOVED TO CLOSE BUDGET 645-3242 AS RECOMMENDED BY THE GOVERNOR.
ASSEMBLYMAN DINI SECONDED THE MOTION.
THE MOTION CARRIED. (SENATORS COFFIN AND RAGGIO AND ASSEMBLYMEN ARBERRY AND GOLDWATER WERE ABSENT FOR THE VOTE.)
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HR, Victims of Domestic Violence – Budget Page DCFS-36 (Volume 2)
Budget Account 101-3181
Mr. Peri read the overview and technical adjustments outlined on page 35 of the Joint Subcommittee on K‑12/Human Resources Closing List #8 (Exhibit C). He added that a $15 fee is collected on each marriage license issued in the state which is used to fund this budget.
E-250 Eliminate Duplicate Effort – Page DCFS-37
Mr. Peri stated the technical adjustments in this account include the elimination of decision unit E-250 because provisions for its transfer to the Grants Management Unit (101-3195) were not approved.
E-275 Working Environment & Wage – Page DCFS-37
Mr. Peri stated the recommendation is to reverse this decision unit. He stated no action was taken on Assembly Bill (A.B.) 583, which would have provided 2 percent of marriage license revenue to this account, which this unit was intended to accommodate, so funding has been restored to the Reserve category.
ASSEMBLY BILL 583: Revises provisions governing administration of grants from account for aid for victims of domestic violence. (BDR 16-537)
ASSEMBLYMAN DINI MOVED TO CLOSE BUDGET 101-3181 WITH ADJUSTMENTS RECOMMENDED BY THE STAFF.
ASSEMBLYWOMAN CEGAVSKE SECONDED THE MOTION.
THE MOTION CARRIED. (SENATORS COFFIN AND RAGGIO AND ASSEMBLYMEN ARBERRY AND GOLDWATER WERE ABSENT FOR THE VOTE.)
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HR, Children’s Trust Account – Budget Page DCFS-39 (Volume 2)
Budget Account 101-3201
Mr. Peri read the overview and technical adjustments outlined on page 36 of the Joint Subcommittee on K‑12/Human Resources Closing List #8 (Exhibit C). He stated the recommended adjustment in the base budget properly aligns the transfer of funds from this budget to the Title XX Purchase of Social Services budget (101‑3237). He said the transfer category is increased by $723 in FY 2002 and by $1,273 in FY 2003. He said the Reserve category and the Balance Forward into FY 2003 are adjusted accordingly.
E-250 Eliminate Duplicate Effort – Page DCFS-40
Mr. Peri recommended decision unit E-250 be eliminated. He stated the subcommittee did not approve the Grants Management Unit this decision unit was intended to accommodate.
ASSEMBLYMAN DINI MOVED TO CLOSE BUDGET 101-3201 WITH ADJUSTMENTS RECOMMENDED BY THE STAFF.
ASSEMBLYWOMAN GIUNCHIGLIANI SECONDED THE MOTION.
THE MOTION CARRIED. (SENATORS COFFIN AND RAGGIO AND ASSEMBLYMEN ARBERRY AND GOLDWATER WERE ABSENT FOR THE VOTE.)
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HR, Northern Nevada Child & Adolescent Services – Budget Page DCFS-76 (Volume 2) - Budget Account 101-3281
Mr. Peri read the technical adjustment described on page 37 of the Joint Subcommittee on K‑12/Human Resources Closing List #8 (Exhibit C). He stated the recommended adjustment implements the recording mechanism designed to account for payments made to Mojave Mental Health Services for clients referred to that organization from Northern Nevada Child and Adolescent Services (NNCAS). He said this adjustment will allow for the display of costs paid on behalf of those clients by the state of Nevada. He said the adjustment adds $283,981 in FY 2002 and $289,661 in FY 2003.
Mr. Peri stated no other adjustments are recommended in this budget account.
Ms. Leslie asked whether the services in this budget provide direct therapeutic services rather than case management services. She asked whether it would allow the private sector to compete if this is true.
Mr. Peri replied he was familiar with Ms. Leslie’s question but he did not have the answer. He suggested a staff member from the Division of Child and Family Services (DCFS) might have an update on that.
Mr. Abba said a discussion on that issue will occur when the Medicaid Budget is closed. He stated it will probably revolve around the new positions that are recommended, and whether the Division of Health Care Financing and Policy will be able to provide the appropriate oversight for costs. He suggested one of the areas of concern would be contracting out these types of services and potential cost overruns. He said if those positions are approved a Letter of Intent should be issued as to when the issues of case management could be opened to other providers.
Senator Rawson stated he believes this involved direct services. He asked whether another budget line is needed to show case management.
Ms. Leslie stated the reason she wanted clarification was because she understood the department’s argument was that the case management part could not be opened up for some reason. She stated she sees no reason not to open up direct therapeutic services.
Mr. Peri said he did not believe this involves case management, but indicated he is not that familiar with the services. He stated he understands this involves direct care services.
Bob Guernsey, Principal Deputy Fiscal Analyst, Fiscal Analysis Division, Legislative Counsel Bureau, stated this refers to the same types of services that are provided to the adult community. He explained it comprises a variety of direct services, including managed case services.
Senator Rawson reiterated Ms. Leslie would like to see some of the safety net providers involved in the service. He suggested the committee would like to have a response to the question, “Is there any ability for the safety net providers to still provide services here?”
Jim Baumann, Administrative Service Officer IV, Division of Child and Family Services, Department of Human Resources, stated that once clients are referred to Mojave Mental Health Services, the information is not available on what services are provided.
Senator Rawson stated the presumption is that those services will be provided by Mojave, and the safety net providers will be cut out of the process. He pointed out that has a potentially negative impact for northern Nevada and possibly statewide. He opined some of the providers will be lost. He said it is the will of the subcommittee to see that there is some progress made during this interim to open up to some of those safety net providers. He said this can be accomplished with a Letter of Intent.
Senator Rawson suggested there will be a very angry subcommittee here 2 years from now if there is not some effort made to direct some of those services to the safety net providers. He said he understands the complications to that, but he said he believes this is critical to the survival of Mojave and northern Nevada, and if this does not happen some radical changes will take place.
Mr. Baumann stated that a Letter of Intent “would be great.”
Sherry Blackwell, Budget Analyst V, Budget Division, Department of Administration, stated she believed the Letter of Intent should go to the Nevada Medicaid office rather than to the Division of Child and Family Services. She pointed out the Division of Child and Family Services does not contract with Mojave. She said that contract is through Medicaid.
Senator Rawson stated the staff “may carbon copy everybody.”
ASSEMBLYWOMAN GIUNCHIGLIANI MOVED TO CLOSE BUDGET 101-3281 WITH ADJUSTMENTS RECOMMENDED BY STAFF, TECHNICAL ADJUSTMENTS, AND THE RECOGNITION THAT THE COMMITTEE WILL DEAL WITH THE DIRECT SERVICES, NOT JUST CASE MANAGEMENT, WHEN CONSIDERING THE MEDICAID BUDGET.
ASSEMBLYWOMAN LESLIE SECONDED THE MOTION.
THE MOTION CARRIED. (SENATOR RAGGIO AND ASSEMBLYMEN ARBERRY AND GOLDWATER WERE ABSENT FOR THE VOTE.)
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There being no further business the meeting adjourned at 9:48 a.m.
RESPECTFULLY SUBMITTED:
Bob Williston
Committee Secretary
APPROVED BY:
Senator Raymond D. Rawson, Chairman
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Ms. Christina R. Giunchigliani, Chairwoman
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